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Column extension for the 25 ltr Super Reflux model.....

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  1. Phantom
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    As some of you know, this is what the original device looks like.
    Original, unmodified setup

    Now, I've made an extension for it, that will sit between the lid of the boiler and the condenser head.

    The extension looks

    like this........

    It's centre section is of 22mm copper pipe - which I have filled with copper mesh for reflux packing.

    The top of it looks

    like this........

    As you can see, it's just the 22 mm centre section, that has a 22mm sleeve connector that's been soldered on and to a 22 to 15 mm reducer, which in turn has been soldered onto a short length of 15 mm pipe and that has been terminated with a 15 mm compression connector.

    You may think that's a bit small, but the connector seems to be the same size and thread as the bottom of the reflux condenser - the only possible modification that might require is to make something to act as a washer - those of you who have one of these stills will know that the nut that connects the condenser to the boiler lid is a flanged nut, that has a piece of stainless pipe sweated into place inside the threaded/flanged section. Ergo, 15 mm is the ideal adaptor size.......... luckily!

    The bottom of the extension

    looks like this..........

    That's basically the opposite of the top i.e. 22 mm pipe into 22 mm sleeve connector (those who have read up will see that it's a "solder ring" model - to ensure a bit of safety and common sense, it was heated up and the solder in the ring shaken out so I could ensure that the solder used was lead free) into a 22 to 15 mm reducer, followed by a short length of 15mm pipe which is terminated with a flanged boiler connection, which, also luckily/coincidentally, is the same size as the hole in the lid.

    It's a pretty basic construction. The only thing I had to do first, before any soldering etc was to cut the pipe to length and then take the end of the copper mesh, roll it up, tie it with string and pull it through the 22 mm centre section gently, making sure that as the mesh was pulled through, it was rolled correctly so it expands slightly in the pipe and holds itself in place (no need to make up any blanking washers etc to keep it where it is - it's self supporting), then the sleeve's, reducers and short pieces of 15mm cut and prepared. The olives and compression connectors joined onto the 15 mm pipe, but then the actual connectores removed so only the olives and cap nuts remained in place.

    I did get a couple of silver solder rods, but my blow torch, only being a cheapo butane/propane mix model would melt the rod but wouldn't get the copper hot enough to run (and the flux paste might have had something to do with that as well - I'll be investigating that more another time). So I had to revert to lead free plumbers solder, which should be Ok, it's designed to work with water, and as the boiler will only ever hit about 100 degrees C, shouldn't be a problem.

    Now, what's the point of this ? Well, as the still is a "coolant management" model, it can be a bit of a bugger to keep the reflux head cooled to the correct temperature. With the water flow set to about the rate suggested in the paperwork, it will only run stable at about 82 degrees C, which is a little too warm (boiling point being 78.15 C if I remember correctly). So the extension removes the condenser to 1 metre above the boiler, hopefully creating extra reflux space (or that's the idea) and reduces the heat that transfer's from the boiler to the condenser through heat induction through the metal. So, in theory, it should also help to keep the water flow keeping the reflux head at the right temperature - plus a bit of work on the cooling pipe connections should allow me to increase the water flow to the condenser as well.

    All things being equal, I hope to give it a trial run over the next week or so....

    Oh, and I'll be replacing the "ceramic saddles" in the condenser head with "proper" raschig rings.

    I'll post how I get on.....

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Phantom
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    Oh and if anyone knows how the hell I can post the pictures with [img][/img] tags so the pictures appear in the text, I'd be much obliged if you'd explain...

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. bluecap
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    I use photobucket and just copy and paste the direct link lol i'll find out if it works on here now.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/bluecap/pussy.jpg

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. bluecap
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    well that didnt work, it does on other forums.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Electrif
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    well that didnt work, it does on other forums.

    Need to use the img code

    A hangover is the wrath of grapes...
    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Phantom
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    Anyway......... if anyone interested can see the pic's that'll have to do for now...

    I'm gonna do a test run this weekend, but with water and vinegar to flush it through and see if there's any leaks on the solder joints......

    Obviously I'll post back....

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. goinbroke2
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    Weekends over......so? How did it go? LOL!

    No I'm NOT a redneck, I'm a Hoser, eh?
    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Phantom
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    Weekends over......so? How did it go? LOL!

    It didn't, yet........

    A couple of things I forgot, like with the extension on the boiler, it's the best part of 2 metres tall, so I've got to work out where I can run it (in the shed if necessary), plus I need to get some longer piping for the condenser head to it will reach the tap and drain.

    I did get as far as getting the vinegar though, plus I managed to scrounge a piece of plastic electrical conduit pipe so I can stir/de-gas the 50 litres of wash (nothing else will reach down far enough into the 54 litre carboy)........

    Typical piss poor planning on my part.... because we're up north next weekend (Wigan Vs Catalans @ JJB). Least ways I'll have a good few days to let the fining do it's clearing thing.......

    And yes I'll post back when I've run a test and hopefully a batch of wash......

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Phantom
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    Well I finally managed to get my finger out my arse today.

    I got the spanners out and fitted the extension to the SS super reflux. I didn't run wash, I just put about 10 litres of vinegar/water mix and fired it up. This was basically to make sure about any possible leaks, and that the acidic nature of the liquid would have removed any possible traces of flux etc that might have made it's way in through the joints during the soldering process. Plus it also proves the vapour path is ok.

    I put it on, then about 20 minutes later, I checked it and it (the boiler) was still cool enough to touch... we went to the chinky to get some food and when we got back it was venting steam just nicely through the condenser etc (I hadn't connected any cooling and there was nothing in the reflux chamber) the thermometer was sitting nicely at about 92 C. So I'm hoping that when I "run it in anger" tomorrow, it will have given me enough additional cooling control to get it over 90% in one run. Which will be handy.

    Next I need to work out a design for a "parrot" so I can continuously monitor the strength of the output distillate. The parrot will need to hold about 100 mls so that I can just leave the hydrometer in it as the still discharges, and when it drops below whatever point I decided I can then just change the collecting jar to get the tails...

    I'll post again how I get on when it's been run with wash......

    p.s. and the only real PITA is that with the extension fitted it's just over 2 metres tall so I can't just plug it in, fill it up and put it on top of the washing machine to do it's thing.........

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Phantom
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    This is what it looks like when running.

    It's still heating up at the moment, you can see that the output is into a graduated testing jar, as I'm gonna bin the first 25 to 50mls as heads - I don't think that's necessary as it's a reasonably pure sugar wash, but it won't do any harm.

    Once the heads are removed, I'll take 100mls and measure that to see what it's coming out strength-wise. I'm hoping for 90% + on that.

    Yes, the column extension is filled with copper mesh, and the actual reflux head/condenser is filled with rashig rings. It tends to take about an hour and a half to start normally and I'd have thought that it might take a little longer with the extension as the reflux ratio will have increased, how quickly it actually runs will take time to work out. Normally with just the head on top of the boiler it takes about 6 or 7 hours to run a whole 25 litre batch of wash.

    It's not the most steady of contraptions but it's certainly not dangerously flexible, as long as I don't wobble it deliberately it seems to stand there reasonably well even when the water is connected/running.

    What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. Tom Waits.
    Posted 1 year ago #

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